Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe(avarayr.github.io)
144 points by mikamika83 1 day ago | 134 comments
- pavlov 17 hours agoThe problem is that Electron has been using an API clearly marked private by Apple, and they were doing it for purely cosmetic reasons (tweaking window corner masks). Now macOS can’t render these windows efficiently because they’re using the private method, so the window system can’t apply its standard rendering model.
Framework developers need to have a much higher standard for when to use a private API.
But I also think Apple should do more testing with Electron and proactively contribute these fixes. Scanning the framework for private API usage is easily doable for them. If Apple had sent this fix in June when they released the first beta of the new OS, it would have made it into most of these apps.
[-]- StopDisinfo910 9 hours agoApple constantly misuses "private" API to give their own applications feature they don’t want to see in other applications on the AppStore.
At some point, the current situation is to be expected. It’s ok. Electron apps will be fixed and it will be all right.
- ilumanty 16 hours agoA trusted source once told me that Mac OS 10 system libraries contain a bunch of shims so that Adobe apps may continue to misuse them the way they did in Mac OS 9. Now that they have a tight grip over the app ecosystem, they don’t even bother to help a major OSS framework that powers thousands of apps make the transition.
- Spunkie 23 hours agoIn general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update.
It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom.
It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways.
Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memory usage compared to their previous macOS versions.
[-]- pants2 22 hours agoWhy do you install the Zoom app? Seems like only a way to collect data on you vs the web version that works just great.[-]
- dewey 21 hours agoThe question is why the app is bad, not why users install it.
- eptcyka 21 hours agoWeb version doesn’t handle large amounts of participants in a single call, way back when I used zoom.[-]
- workfromspace 18 hours agoI used the web version last month for an inside town hall meeting with ~1k participants and it was as smooth as it could be.
- cpursley 18 hours ago[flagged][-]
- raspasov 17 hours agoAre you implying that in order to turn a profit you need to install the Zoom app? Or that they are collection data to turn a profit.[-]
- cpursley 14 hours agoYes, to convert a certain segment of our customers. They like to meet via zoom - and thats the best way I’ve found to demo our product. The web app just doesn’t cut it from the presenters side.
- bartread 23 hours agoThanks.
It sounds like the issue has already been fixed in Electron, although it will obviously take a while for all app vendors to bump versions.
I'm guessing Zoom might be hitting the same overridden system call that Electron was, although I have no firm information that this is the case.
Regardless, I've just checked my settings to ensure this upgrade won't be installed automatically because I wasn't sure how MacOS behaves with major upgrades, and will probably wait 2 - 3 months before letting Tahoe onto my system to allow everyone else time to get their fixes and upgrades done.
- concinds 19 hours agoI suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels their reports count, they had an executive do a sort-of mea culpa years ago but nothing changed.
My AirPods keep going silent on my new Tahoe Mac and require a disconnect and reconnect. Will I report it? No. (Besides, if you report bugs like that, Apple collects a map of your entire filesystem, every path and filename). Apple shouldn't have fired their QA team. Let them deal with any brand damage, they've earned it. I mean, did Apple really not test their new OS with Slack, Zoom or VSCode? Really? Reckless.
[-]- illiac786 6 hours ago>Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences.
I’d argue this applies to a very large proportion of companies out there, they don’t have to be huge to suffer from this affliction.
- nebula8804 18 hours agoThey have like ~15% market share. Thats really tiny after all these years. I bet those people are mostly people who have been burned by Windows. What do you expect them to go to? Linux?[-]
- willtemperley 15 hours agoI find the stats vary wildly. I'm seeing it's up to 31% in the US [1].
https://www.computerworld.com/article/1624976/statcounter-da...
- Kwpolska 18 hours agoToo many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.[-]
- lowmagnet 13 hours agoWhen said app authors use a private library that a Apple asked them to not use, is it really wrong to blame them?[-]
- Kwpolska 3 hours agoFrom a Windows end-user perspective, the entity to blame for apps breaking after a Windows upgrade is Microsoft, even if the app was doing something it should not have [0].
[0] Search for "return policy" on https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... .
- willtemperley 15 hours agoThis was clearly a vendor bug though.
- encom 16 hours agoApple is a fashion brand, and Apple users buy it for that reason, not because of any technical merit.
- Razengan 16 hours ago> I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports.
We need an equivalent of the "Windows UX Taskforce” but for macOS/iOS (it was a website that pointed out and laughed at all the UI/UX flaws in Windows)
- h05sz487b 21 hours agoGood that I went with 64 gigs for my last mac. But I'll wait for the first patch at least for this one.[-]
- richrichardsson 18 hours agoI honestly can't figure out why people upgrade to the latest x.0.0 release of macOS. Wait for the x.1.0 : by that time Apple have fixed most of their bugs and software vendors have had time to do their side too.[-]
- blurrybird 16 hours agoBecause they value secure devices. Apple don’t backport _all_ security patches.[-]
- rogerrogerr 9 hours agoThe bad ones they do, especially early on.
The ones they don’t back port are usually dumb stuff like “if an attacker has root and has you at gunpoint, a flaw in wallpaperd may allow them to change your desktop background”
- richrichardsson 7 hours agoIn my experience of you're on currentVersion - 1 the security is just as good.
All I was saying is it's (imo) madness to upgrade immediately to the latest .0 version of macOS.
The long key press for diacritics is completely broken on Tahoe : white text on a white background.
All Electron apps are a bit broken until the vendors update.
There's probably more problems.
- illiac786 6 hours agoDepends when, before they hit the X.1.0, yes they do backport all security patches. I’d argue they actually do until .2.0, but that murkier.
- curtisblaine 17 hours agoBecause Apple nags you to do that via OS popups[-]
- quitit 14 hours agoI must have the very secret iOS and macOS versions which specifically require major updates be selected for installation otherwise it only continues to offer the minor updates for my current version.
- Razengan 20 hours ago> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw
Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue.
Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box.
A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility.
Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should have stayed dead.
[-]- m-schuetz 17 hours agoDev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched.
If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.
[-]- ezst 16 hours agoDev UX is only good in that we regressed to the point that there's not much left but Web, and that's what the majority of devs know as a result. The Dev UX of the Web is pretty bad, though, compared to past and present alternatives, and I'm far from having as much fun putting together UXes for the Web as I was with older tech like Qt, Swing, JavaFX, etc (the tooling was better, more efficient, they had builders for rapid prototyping that were offering a more faithful representation of the design more quickly than figma ever will, etc).[-]
- m-schuetz 5 hours agoI've used Qt, Swing and JavaFX, and found all of them absolutely terrible. Qt might have at least led to some good results, but it's fairly bad to use and deploy. Especially if you want to use the latest Graphics APIs, which worked pretty badly back when I last used Qt in 2016. I much prefer Electron, or imgui for C++. I'll happily sacrifice some features so long as I dont have to use Qt.
- Razengan 16 hours agoYou sort of have a point, but users shouldn't have to pay the price for better UX for devs, the companies making operating systems should.
Even non-power users pay the cost, they just don't realize it yet.
But as long as users still need Apple/Microsoft/Google's platforms to be able to run Electron apps, those corps won't care, specially if it takes devs away from the toolchains controlled by them.
Maybe if someone can come up with a pure Electron OS that can run on any device, it might force Windows/Apple/Android to agree on a universal native UI API?
- encom 16 hours agoI'm not a dev (by profession). I don't care about the you-ecks of developers. Electron creates objectively terrible software by every metric that matters for the end user.
>sophisticated
You confuse complexity for sophistication.
[-]- m-schuetz 5 hours agoObjectively wrong. Bad programmers create terrible software. Electron was used for some fantastic software like vscode.
- typpilol 19 hours agoDo you even know how much a modern electron app with tree shaking actually uses?
Most of my electron apps fully packaged are less than 100mb.
- wiseowise 19 hours agoOkay gramps, time to take the meds.[-]
- Razengan 16 hours agoYeah like some cocaine just to sit through your slow unoptimized shit lol
Try learning more than 1 language for everything.
(not directed personally @ anyone, just a peeve at the many factors enabling the necessity of something like Electron)
- dheera 21 hours agoThe real problem is Apple being so stingy with RAM.
I have 192GB of RAM on my (non-Apple) desktop and 96GB of RAM on my (non-Apple) laptop. I have never had memory issues with Electron apps, 200 Chrome tabs open, or pretty much anything, really.
[-]- willtemperley 20 hours agoIt's not a memory problem at all. It's the misuse of a private API that's at fault:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/02/macos_26_electron_slo...
[-]- kimixa 20 hours agoBut if the "private API" was the only way of fixing an issue with rendering corner smoothing, was it "misuse"?[-]
- willtemperley 20 hours agoThe developer who submitted the fix thinks so:
"I need to be clear about this, Electron's "_cornerMask" override was a dirty hack that was made in an effort to fix an ancient issue with corner smoothing."
https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/48311#issuecomme...
- raspasov 17 hours agoApple does have a 128GB laptop with M4 Max.[-]
- encom 16 hours agoIt starts at 5000 USD. Five. Thousand. Dollars.[-]
- raspasov 5 hours agoIt is the fastest laptop CPU in the world right now, by a decent stretch.
128GB PC laptops are not very cheap either, if you want a decent one, like a ThinkPad.
Here’s a 7000 USD ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 workstation:
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...
[-]- encom 4 hours ago>fastest laptop CPU in the world
Maybe, but it's 1) ARM 2) In a Mac. Those are some colossal caveats.
[-]- raspasov 11 minutes agoWhat caveats specifically?
I understand the problems of measuring cross-platform performance but anecdotally even on things that it's not specifically optimized for, for example running a Java Virtual Machine with 10s of GBs of memory, it's really fast, efficient and competitive to most non-Mac/ARM setups.
- dheera 10 hours agoYep. Add a usable SSD to that and it'll be 7K.
I have 8TB in my laptop (cost $500) and 28TB total in my desktop (cost ~$2K) and before you start on it, yes I do use that much space.
These are unheard-of numbers for a middle class Apple owner, but commonplace for a middle class non-Apple owner.
Looking at the Apple website their offerings start from 0.25 TB. What a joke. My phone has that much.
- the_lucifer 21 hours agoSeeing 1Password there hurts me. They used to be paragons of well designed native apps that they dumped with 8.[-]
- JimDabell 20 hours agoI’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.[-]
- microtonal 19 hours agoIt is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebooting, clearing caches, adding/removing the browser extension, etc. does not help).
I still have a subscription because the whole family uses it and I don't know yet where else to go. There are some native apps, but they are fairly incomplete. Apple passwords would be an option, but I would like to be able to access my passwords on a Linux laptop as well, and Apple passwords does not really have a good backup story.
AgileBits' reaction to criticism is just to wave everything away with a bunch of emoji.
tl;dr: it went from an app that I loved and recommended to everyone to one to one that I would really like to get rid of and never recommend anymore.
[-]- illiac786 6 hours agoActually I really disliked electron but 1Password showed me it can be done right.
I still prefer native, but the argument of smaller code base for security reasons is a valid one.
- R0flcopt3r 16 hours agoI'm a little shocked, as my experience with 1Password across Android, iPad, Linux, macOS, kubernetes, commandline has been absolutely fantastic. I've been using it every day for the last four years or so in pretty much all of the above settings.
- mitchell209 18 hours agoI’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want.
And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.
[-]- illiac786 6 hours agoI think you can seriously improve your UX, because I don’t have any extra tap to access passwords, definitely not because of ID cards or the likes. I just search for any item (no matter what category) or it is already suggested and I don’t have to search.
I genuinely don’t mean this in a condescending way, but you must use it wrong or have a wrong setting somewhere.
[-]- mitchell209 3 hours agoMy main gripe is with the iOS app. I actually think the Mac version is easy to use still and don't have that many issues with it. But on iOS, it starts on Home and if I don't already have the site favorited and can't remember the name of the website, that's 2 additional taps to get to a list of all passwords - Items in the bottom tab and then either All Items or my Personal vault - and then I can start scrolling through to find what I'm looking for. Obviously if I'm already on the site for autofill or it's something basic like Gmail, Microsoft, etc then I have no problem searching. But sometimes I search for sites that I used years ago and can't remember the name.
- lawgimenez 21 hours agoTruly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app.
I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.
[-]- concinds 20 hours agoSwiftUI is still broken for any non-simple apps, almost a decade after its introduction. Completely unacceptable for big apps. Look at OmniFocus, who inexplicably became early-adopters of it, and it's had a bunch of UI glitches and inconsistent behavior requiring app restart (like you select one list item, but the inspector shows you details for another list item) ever since.
Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity.
[-]- Razengan 19 hours ago> almost a decade after its introduction.
It was released in 2019, so 6 years ago at most.
> Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity.
+ Microsoft with their inability to decide on a single UI framework/API for more than 1.5 years.
[-]- concinds 19 hours agoMy bad, I recalled 2017 for some reason.
And of course, same problem on Windows.
- microtonal 19 hours agoI am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also
They could if they wanted to. Heck, they have so many developers and money, they could even maintain a separate Cocoa app. But in all these cases, they'd rather externalize cost to the user.
Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option.
- illiac786 6 hours agoWhat about windows, Linux, etc.?
- Razengan 19 hours ago> I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev.
How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework?
5 years after SwiftUI's release I still struggle to build a simple photo viewer or expense tracker.
> Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option.
If companies enabled the flag to let users install their iOS apps on Mac, it would be a better world, but some asinine companies refuse to, and Apple has to respect the dev's decision, however dumb it may be. I love how Apple worked around that by making iPhone Mirroring, which is a win for users. I actually use that over the desktop website/Electron crap for some apps. But how long before companies force Apple to remove that feature, like they did with removing an easy way to "Disable Javascript" from Safari?
[-]- lawgimenez 19 hours ago> How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework?
That's the benefit of a solo dev, one I don't have a UI/UX designer over-designing shit and secondly I stay close to SwiftUI's components, if I can't customized my own Picker then who cares.
I don't know but there's a lot of decent blogs and tutorials in SwiftUI nowadays.
- CapsAdmin 17 hours agoJust 2 weeks ago, I saw my coworker close 1password from the activity manager to free more memory, because it was using 16gb of ram.
- ascorbic 19 hours agoIt just means they haven't updated Electron since last week.[-]
- gfehhffvvv 19 hours agoThey mean just being Electron at all, I imagine.
- nikolay 1 day agoThere's a better way - you can find all apps you really should care about, i.e., the ones you have installed locally - run the last script in a comment of the Gist [0].
Update: It appears that the author of shamelectron was influenced by the same Gist [1].
[0]: https://gist.github.com/tkafka/e3eb63a5ec448e9be6701bfd1f1b1...
[1]: https://gist.github.com/tkafka/e3eb63a5ec448e9be6701bfd1f1b1...
[-]- mikamika83 24 hours agoThanks for the mention! Yes, I was the person who found the original bug in electron and made the PR to get it fixed. Now doing my due diligence of (nicely) asking companies to update their versions :)[-]
- nikolay 22 hours agoThank you very much!
- nikolay 1 day agoSome notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally):
* 1Password.app
* Bruno.app
* Claude.app (oh noes!)
* Cursor.app
* Docker.app
* Dropbox Dash.app
* Dropbox.app
* Element.app
* GitKraken.app
* Graphite.app
* HEY.app (shame on DHH!)
* Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password)
* Keybase.app
* Kiro.app (come on, AWS!)
* Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!)
* Loom.app
* Notion Calendar.app
* Notion Mail.app
* Notion.app
* Pocket Casts.app
* Podman Desktop.app
* Proton Mail.app
* Proton Pass.app (all major password manager apps are in trouble)
* Redis Insight.app
* Sculptor.app
* Simplenote.app (shame on photomatt!)
* Texts.app (although it's possibly now replaced by Beeper)
* Tonkeeper.app
* Windsurf - Next.app
* WorkFlowy.app
* itch.app
* krisp.app
[-]- binaryturtle 22 hours agoWhat is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it?
If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go.
Back in the old days on the Commodore Amiga we would just do that… install some .library to SYS:Libs/ first if a program required it. It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right?
[-]- Lammy 18 hours agoIronically Microsoft had exactly this in 1999 with Internet Explorer 5:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Application
- https://www.geoffchappell.com/studies/windows/ie/mshtml/clas...
- charcircuit 22 hours ago>It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right?
Don't underestimate the utility of write once run anywhere. Needing to ensure compatibility with a bunch of different browser engines is not simple.
- whatever1 21 hours agoNo F shared libraries. Seriously.
Memory and storage is cheap enough nowadays to not have to deal with the insanity that shared libraries cause. I don’t care if I use 30gb of memory to run a browser and a note taking app.
[-]- solid_fuel 18 hours agoI don't understand why it's all-or-nothing. We know how to version things pretty well these days, why is there no blended solution where libraries are shared but version aware? I don't mind having two different versions of electron on my laptop but I don't want 30 copies of the same version.[-]
- SAI_Peregrinus 11 hours agoYou're basically describing Nix.
The big issue I see with Nix is that it's solving several related & very complex problems, and isn't doing so at a particularly easy level of abstraction. It's a PITA to package software that isn't using an already-supported build system. And mixing versions is messy, instead of just `[ package1="versionA", package2="versionB", …]` sort of thing with a lockfile to convert versions to immutable IDs like commit hashes you have to specify which commits of nixpkgs had each version and then do something like `nixpkgs-versionA=GIT_COMMIT_HASH_A; nixpkgs-versionB=GIT_COMMIT_HASH_B; [ nixpkgs-versionA.package1, nixpkgs-versionB.package2, …]`. There are lots of other "warts" like that, of varying levels of annoyance.
- whatever1 11 hours agoBecause in practice nobody has solved it, while everyone claims they have.
In practice every software needs a particular version of a library. Even a minor upgrade to that library might, and will break it. In an idealized world it should not happen, but here we are. In a world that we setup whole containers so that we can run software.
So no. Shared libraries do not work in practice. At all. It should be straightforward, but they just do not work.
- jonhohle 20 hours agoSome of us do care. Devs should respect users systems more than their own instead of crapping all over them with Electron. I’d almost go as far as to say that it’s evil. Wasting resources, energy, people’s time, and money.
- dist-epoch 18 hours agoThere is not one Electron. There are multiple, they release a new version every month or so.
Some apps, like VS Code, update very quickly to the latest one. Others more rarely. So now you need to keep multiple shared Electron versions, and track dependencies and who uses what version.
And it's quite likely that everyone of your Electron using apps will be on a different version, so now you are back to square one.
- typpilol 19 hours ago4gb seems quite small for all of those apps to be honest.
- oefrha 20 hours agoNo shit. One major frigging selling point of Electron vs OS web view is the developer controls the browser version and has a stable target to develop and test against, rather than having many moving targets that shift after the app is shipped.
And you really think the entire ecosystem has never heard of this honking great idea named shared libraries from the good old days? Being smug about obvious things like this usually just betrays your shallow understanding.
Disclosure: I’ve criticized Electron aplenty. But these are complex tradeoffs and people dismissing them with obvious wins in their minds are clueless.
Disclosure 2: I was once a member of the maintainer team of a major package manager. Shared libraries, oh my, I can tell you horror stories all night long. If your experiences with them are great chances are a team behind the scenes has blocked and/or fixed faulty updates for you and shielded you from most of the issues.
[-]- typpilol 19 hours agoI find explaining browser defaults to non web-devs really eye opening for them.
- shelled 22 hours agoHey - "Shame" is somewhat stronger than what I would have said but I also had similar feelings considering it was from DHH's company. And not just for outdated Electron, but for shipping Electron in the first place. For some reason I always felt DHH will write native apps for his company :)
I have absolutely lost hope from Dropbox and I am actively looking for a replacement.
BitWarden using Electron is just unfortunate and it is sluggish.
What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting?
Electron is the reason I am still using Overcast and not Pocket Casts even though it's FOSS.
Proton Mail - this app is such a mess!
Simplenote - moved away long back! When did Electron come into it? It was native, wasn't it?
[-]- cosmic_cheese 21 hours ago> What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting?
They started chasing B2B/corporate, and as part of that switched their desktop app over to Electron and replaced the old UI of 7 with a generic flat blobby SaaS type design. They lost their botique app shop feel and now blend in with the usual greasy SaaS fare.
- nikolay 21 hours agoUpdate: Meanwhile, Podman Desktop got fixed!
- jen20 24 hours agoThe number of major companies doing half-assed javascript bullshit instead of proper native macOS apps is ridiculous. This did remind me to go cancel 1Password though, something I'd been meaning to do since they switched _to_ electron...[-]
- cosmic_cheese 23 hours agoI'm switching away from 1Password as soon as v7 stops working. I use v8 on my work machine and it's a serious downgrade and AgileBits' handling of criticism around it has been just as bad.[-]
- TheTon 23 hours agoDitto. Happily using 7, but if they ever break it I’m switching to Apple Passwords.[-]
- kstrauser 21 hours agoI did that last year and haven’t looked back. And I can share passwords with my family without paying an arm and a leg.
Pity. I used 1P for many, many years and recommended it to everyone I knew. I feel like it’s completely lost the plot, though.
- dawnerd 22 hours agoIt's actually shocking to see 1pass use electron. They had great first party support but that explains why the app has been absolute garage post v7.
- lenkite 18 hours agoBoth MS and Apple have screwed up. WinUI3 is simply terrible and SwiftUI is a horrible headache. Is there any wonder that people are mass migrating to web frameworks ?[-]
- jen20 13 hours agoIt’s not surprising, but the reason it isn’t surprising is abject lack of respect for users rather than framework complexity.
- mikamika83 24 hours agoMeh. VSCode is a fantastic piece of software, one I never had a problem with before Tahoe.[-]
- WD-42 23 hours agoCompared to what?
I find it telling that the original creators of electron are now writing a new editor with native code because even they can’t stand electron. It’s like they are trying to write a wrong they did to the world.
[-]- gfehhffvvv 19 hours agoXcode, Visual Studio (the original I mean), PyCharm et al., Eclipse, vim, emacs, Notepad++, Sublime… hmm that’s all the IDEs and text editors I can remember using significantly in a professional context. I prefer VSCode to those.
- mikamika83 22 hours agocompared to... nothing... I love it. It's subjective. I love what it does and it's my favorite piece of software because it does what i need it to do, every time, all the time.
- nikolay 22 hours agoIt is, true, but Zed is getting better and better every day!
- jen20 23 hours agoThat's what happens when people use private APIs... there's no problem until there is.[-]
- mikamika83 23 hours agoWise, applies to every piece of software on earth.
- skydhash 24 hours agoStill not half of vim or a quarter of emacs.[-]
- mikamika83 23 hours agoLove my 1985 Chevy and my 2025 (insert not very hated auto make here). Each has its uses
- WD-42 23 hours agoAn entire browser runtime for a password manager are you kidding me. It’s upside down world.
- rezonant 22 hours ago> * HEY.app (shame on DHH!)
There are much better reasons to shame DHH.
- Fnoord 1 day agoHow does the Electron alternative Tauri perform on macOS 26 Tahoe?[-]
- mikamika83 24 hours agoNo issues. There was a very specific bug in electron that's now fixed.. now we just wait until companies bump the electron versions
- tomhow 22 hours agoRelated, three days ago:
Detect Electron apps on Mac that hasn't been updated to fix the system wide lag - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45437112 - Oct 2025 (114 comments)
- filchermcurr 24 hours agoA couple not on the list:
OpenMTP.app (Electron 18.3.15)
DiffusionBee.app (Electron 13.6.9)
[-]- mikamika83 23 hours agoOof, those are some ancient electron versions.[-]
- geoffpado 22 hours agoIf you go back far enough, they just don't have the issue at all! Running your "detect using cornerMask" script from another comment in this post, I have an app (https://www.haikuanimator.com/) that shows up green… because it's using Electron 2.0.8![-]
- mikamika83 21 hours agoThats fair, I guess. But running an electron app that out of date is just playing with fire. You know, with the couple hundred chromium and electron CVE's and all :/
- filchermcurr 23 hours agoI see, sorry to waste your time. I thought the list was meant to be informational for people to assess which applications were problematic. I didn't realize it was more of a call to action.[-]
- mikamika83 22 hours agonot at all! thanks for the callouts, i'm sure people who have those installed will find the headsup helpful!
- usrxcghghj 15 hours agoyou mean even with all that telemetry of opening apps they couldnt test the most used apps and frameworks/electron for bugs?
- bigyabai 1 day agoSurely this will shame them into supporting MacOS better and not push developers towards making their desktop webapp a website.[-]
- nozzlegear 1 day agoEither solution is an improvement over the laggy electron app. Using Safari's web app feature on discord's website feels markedly better than trying to use their "native" app.[-]
- mitchell209 18 hours agoI just reformatted my MacBook and I was hesitant to reinstall the discord app because of how terrible it is. That sounds like a good compromise I never thought of considering discord is more of a windows PC thing for me. Thanks.
- kalleboo 22 hours agoPeople keep saying they need Electron because keeping up with the system's native web view is impossible yet a bunch of these apps have web versions that work perfectly fine (or as you say, even better) in Safari
- ranger_danger 1 day agoThe issue is already fixed upstream in electron, it was due to the overriding of an internal/undocumented system function behaving differently by the nature of just being overridden at all (the function body was empty).
- cyberax 22 hours agoOr just dropping macOS support altogether...
- wilg 22 hours agoThis performance issue aside, which I haven’t noticed, a friend recently commented about the quality of Apple’s native apps that he would strongly prefer an Electron app for all of them because it’s a sign that they might actually work in an understandable way and not be totally broken all the time.
- yangchang007 20 hours ago[dead]
- self_awareness 20 hours agoThe fact that an application can slow down the system doesn't sound like a problem with the application, but rather it's a problem with the OS. Tracking applications that "are not fixed" is not the solution. Fixing the OS is the solution.[-]
- Etheryte 20 hours agoOtherwise I would be inclined to agree with you, but in this specific case I'm torn. These apps (ab)used a private API and the OS update meant they suddenly used it incorrectly. That's not something that's really the OS fault as far as I'm concerned. But I do agree that better separation is always good.[-]
- gfehhffvvv 19 hours agoHistorically Windows was known for not causing this kind of breakage for even “(ab)users” of private APIs, common misusers, buggy users, etc. And even working around such issues on the OS side.[-]
- self_awareness 19 hours agoYeah, Windows is actually known for bending the OS so that backward compatibility is preserved. They even added a GUI tab with Compatibility settings.
But of course, Apple is not Microsoft, so they can do whatever they please. On Apple systems, non-working software on new macOS releases is a normal thing, maybe part of their philosophy.
[-]- sunaookami 16 hours ago>Windows is actually known for bending the OS so that backward compatibility is preserved
Such as... having two context menus ;)
- swiftcoder 20 hours agoIn this case Electron intentionally used reflection to override functionality that isn't part of the API surface, so maybe not as cut and dried as all that